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	<title>Comments on: Biology&#8217;s Blinders: WYSIWYG</title>
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		<title>By: NotThConstantName</title>
		<link>http://www.centertao.org/blog/2008/10/11/biologys-blinders-wysiwyg/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I am getting altogether too metaphysical.  

But what I meant to ask, provocatively, was: &quot;Why do you think there is a reality outside of yourself?&quot; 

Everyone would say that there is something &quot;real&quot; which exists outside of their mind.  (It seems ridiculous to argue about that, but I believe that some Idealist philosophers do.)

But our belief in some external reality seems a little paradoxical to me since our idea of &quot;reality&quot; and &quot;out there&quot; are mental constructs of ours.  So it&#039;s a kind of tautology, isn&#039;t it?  (A &quot;meta hoodwink&quot;).  It&#039;s the quantum paradox that has got me going on this.

I was just trying to go somewhere with this vis a vis the Tao, but I think I&#039;m rambling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I am getting altogether too metaphysical.  </p>
<p>But what I meant to ask, provocatively, was: &#8220;Why do you think there is a reality outside of yourself?&#8221; </p>
<p>Everyone would say that there is something &#8220;real&#8221; which exists outside of their mind.  (It seems ridiculous to argue about that, but I believe that some Idealist philosophers do.)</p>
<p>But our belief in some external reality seems a little paradoxical to me since our idea of &#8220;reality&#8221; and &#8220;out there&#8221; are mental constructs of ours.  So it&#8217;s a kind of tautology, isn&#8217;t it?  (A &#8220;meta hoodwink&#8221;).  It&#8217;s the quantum paradox that has got me going on this.</p>
<p>I was just trying to go somewhere with this vis a vis the Tao, but I think I&#8217;m rambling.</p>
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		<title>By: carl</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What makes you think there is something out there that maps to your whole concept of reality?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Huh? What makes you think that I think there is something &#039;out there&#039; that maps to my concept of reality? Just the opposite, in my view. What I see &#039;out there&#039; maps what is &#039;in here&#039;. What I see &#039;out there&#039; mirrors what I feel &#039;in here&#039;. From this vantage point it is easy for &lt;a href=&quot;www.centertao.org/tao-te-ching/dc-lau/#chapter-10&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discernment to penetrate the four quarters and yet be capable of not knowing anything&lt;/a&gt;.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What makes you think there is something out there that maps to your whole concept of reality?</p></blockquote>
<p>Huh? What makes you think that I think there is something &#8216;out there&#8217; that maps to my concept of reality? Just the opposite, in my view. What I see &#8216;out there&#8217; maps what is &#8216;in here&#8217;. What I see &#8216;out there&#8217; mirrors what I feel &#8216;in here&#8217;. From this vantage point it is easy for <a href="www.centertao.org/tao-te-ching/dc-lau/#chapter-10" rel="nofollow">discernment to penetrate the four quarters and yet be capable of not knowing anything</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: NotThConstantName</title>
		<link>http://www.centertao.org/blog/2008/10/11/biologys-blinders-wysiwyg/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>NotThConstantName</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 07:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are implicitly assuming a Realist position as part, perhaps, of a &quot;meta-hoodwink&quot;.

Never mind any potential mismatch in your perception of reality and what reality is really out there: What makes you think there is something out there that maps to your whole concept of reality?

Idealism seemed mostly killed off in the last century, but when I look at (decades-old) issues of things like &#039;causality&#039; and &#039;consciousness&#039; in quantum physics, I sometimes wonder if Kant and Bishop Berkeley might be having a chuckle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are implicitly assuming a Realist position as part, perhaps, of a &#8220;meta-hoodwink&#8221;.</p>
<p>Never mind any potential mismatch in your perception of reality and what reality is really out there: What makes you think there is something out there that maps to your whole concept of reality?</p>
<p>Idealism seemed mostly killed off in the last century, but when I look at (decades-old) issues of things like &#8216;causality&#8217; and &#8216;consciousness&#8217; in quantum physics, I sometimes wonder if Kant and Bishop Berkeley might be having a chuckle.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism</a></p>
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