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    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeMay 25th 2004 edited
     # 1

    Well, we're still working out the kinks of this message board, but in the meantime, here is a place where you can sign our virtual 'guestbook'. You can post a message here (no need to register) and include who you are, how you came to our site, your opinion on the ideas presented here . . . really, anything you'd like.

    Thanks for visiting CenterTao.org!

    Luke

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2004 edited
     # 2

    OK, I'll start us off...

    Hi, I'm Luke, and I came across this site because, well, I built it. I think there's a lot of interesting things in this site, and I can't wait to hear what other people think of them. Keep up the good work, CenterTao!

    All right, I think we can top that, can't we? :wink:

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeJun 1st 2004 edited
     # 3

    Hi. i'm Kyle Abbott.

    At the moment I?m fourteen and living in Santa Cruz Ca. I've been barefoot for all my life, I hear everyone ask me "aren't your feet cold?" MAN!, I get so sick of it, when people see me barefoot it's like a UFO sighting, little kids say stuff like "hah hah! that kid's not wearing shoes! It's funny because that kid's not wearing shoes!".

    I've got some ducks named, Buddy, Maggie, and Ducky.

    I?m the main mandolin player of the family, at some gigs I play my mandolin behind my back on some songs. In fact, I'm a Mandolin picking, guitar flatpicking, banjo frailing, bass thumping, Shakuhachi blowing, Koto plucking, Shamisen strumming, semi-singin' Fry Daddy.

    One of my favorite hobbies is archery, I like to shoot two arrows at once, and also shoot from our balcony. I don?t practice knife throwing too much any more. I used to do "whip-cracking", in other words, setting up targets and knocking them off one by one with my whip. I stopped for a few months (meaning a few years).

    One of my favorite things to do is to fish on the wharf. I mainly catch surfperch (usually walleye perch), Jack-smelt, rock-fish, kingfish, octopus, sand-dab and Sculpin. I don't eat Sculpins 'cause not only are they spiny and bony, they are venomous scorpion fish. I'm hoping to catch a Ling-cod and Halibut.

    I am learning Chinese, Mandarin to be specific, my chinese name (Qing-shan)

    By the way, you don't have to read this if it's boring for you.

    The top three favorite books is Dune, The Dig and Stephen K. Hayes's Ninjitsu books.

    I?m great at annoying people too but I only summon that power when only absolutley necessary or if I'm feeling good.

    I practice Sumi-e (Japenese brush painting)

    Well... I guess that's about it.

    Looking to add joy and fulfillment to your dull, dull life? Well look no further! Check out Kyle Abbott's Web Pit Stop!
    http://www.playingbyear.com/kyle/

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2004 edited
     # 4

    Geeez, this is all rather pathetic isn't it? But that's a good thing for it gives us all a good dose of humility. :oops: :roll:

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeJul 19th 2004 edited
     # 5

    Good choice of smilies! :) Yes this thread is pretty pathetic but I started it before there was anything on the site. :P

    I can remove it if enough people complain, but I haven't heard anything yet. :roll:

    • CommentAuthorBao Pu
    • CommentTimeOct 17th 2004 edited
     # 6

    Hello Luke, Carl and Kyle, and others :)

    I just discovered this site. I look forward to posting, replying, and setting you all straight! Haha! Just kidding. This is an attractive site and some good insights here. I discovered it while searching for the phrase "good and bad produce each other" or something like that. It is found in Carl's comments on DDJ 62: ?When I remember that good and bad produce each other, I'm don't cling so firmly to them in my life. I still have my preferences, and still regard some things good and other things bad, but only half heartily. I know a deeper reality, and this is my refuge from these warring cycles of good and bad which run through my life.? Very nice.

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeOct 22nd 2004 edited
     # 7

    Welcome Bao Pu. Alas, we have some unusually hectic circumstances around here this month so haven't keep on top of things as I may do otherwise. Anyway, we're very happy to have a fellow 'path-man' chiming in. :D

    • CommentAuthorBao Pu
    • CommentTimeOct 23rd 2004 edited
     # 8

    Thanks for the welcome Carl. :)

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeOct 25th 2004 edited
     # 9

    Hello Abbott Family!! This is Kate Currier (I know you know who I am) and Jeff Thompson (I know you know him, too). We have visited your site on your mother's suggestion and love it! Hard to believe you have been designing websites since you were 7, Luke, but we all know you are a smart man. I hope you are all having fun with Vickie, sounds like a good time so far. :wink: Looking forward to speaking with all of you once it's all over! Jeff wants to give you a quote, so I am going to turn the reins over to him. In the meantime, have fun, keep breathing, and Kyle, I hate shoes myself, so I would never laugh at you or ask if your feet were cold. Just so's you know. :D Here's Jeff: Here's a quote for you. "Man takes the simple things in life and tries to complicate them to fit his needs. It is because of this complication that man has turned away from Nature and from spiritual things. That is why we should always seek the simplicity. Simplify, and life becomes real." -Stalking Wolf (as told by Tom Brown Jr.) Be Well.

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeOct 30th 2004 edited
     # 10

    Hi Kate and Jeff! Good to hear from you. Yes, we had a great time last week. An amazing experience. I wrote up a bunch of my thoughts on it, which I'll post here later, but I s'pose I'll wait 'till the cat's out of the bag, so to speak. We'll probably talk before then, though. (But you CenterTao folks will have to wait . . . if only you knew!)

    Jeff:

    Man takes the simple things in life and tries to complicate them to fit his needs. It is because of this complication that man has turned away from Nature and from spiritual things. That is why we should always seek the simplicity. Simplify, and life becomes real.

    I think many people, if not most, would agree with that statement. And yet, this agreement is not reflected in their lives, by and large. This verse comes to mind:

    The Tao Te Ching:

    My words are very easy to understand and very easy to put into practice,
    yet no one in the world can understand them or put them into practice. [ch.70]

    That simplicity is a virtue is something that can be appreciated by many, including myself. But to integrate that viewpoint into one's life is something that is extraordinarily difficult, including for myself. Maybe difficult isn't the right word . . . perhaps, improbable? Anyhow, glad to hear you enjoy the site! Take care, and ttyl,

    Luke

    P.S. - FYI, I haven't been making web sites for quite that long . . . it was more DOS-type stuff before.

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeOct 31st 2004 edited
     # 11

    Luke,
    Discourse on the concept of simplicity is intrinsically complicated. That said(!), let me offer this idea: "Your attitude is an aperature for your talent to work through". -Bill Howey
    Translated to fit our terms, that essentially means one can do what one sets one's mind to. In other words, simplicity is as "difficult" or "improbable" as one makes it.
    I'll leave you with the abridged version of Occam's Razor: Given a list of all possible solutions to a problem, the simplest explanation is probably correct.

    To the Abbot Unit:
    I hope your week, collectively, was educational and more importantly, tons of fun for all.
    All Good Medicine,
    Jeff Thompson

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2004 edited
     # 12

    Hey! It's 'Abbott' with two 'T''s!

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeNov 1st 2004 edited
     # 13

    Don't sweat it, Jeff. :D

    Re: simplicity is complicated. What is the hardest thing to contemplate? Nothing. Our brains are great at imagining things . . . stuff, action, Something. But we're not biologically set up to think about yin stuff very well. Thus, we can't help but throw complexity into the mix, mmm?

    Jeff Thompson:

    . . . one can do what one sets one's mind to. In other words, simplicity is as "difficult" or "improbable" as one makes it.

    Of course, this doesn't mean that I can 'tackle' simplicity easily by just 'willing' myself to. Sure, it's a function of your attitude, but that's not something you can change on a whim...

    Finally, on behalf of the rest of the unit, I can say that it was both those things. Papa calls it an adventure/vacation.

    Luke

    P.S. - You should register! In fact, both of you should! That'll push our registered user count all the way to 27!

    • CommentAuthorkeberhardt
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2004 edited
     # 14

    Hi to all, I am Kim Eberhardt, granddaughter of Llyod and Doris Butler, and daughter of Karen Tynan. I am just visiting to see what is on your site. Mom sent me a e-mail excited about a tv show you all did not too long ago. I look forward to watching it. I am also attempting with some difficutly to learn how to play to fiddle and thought I'd find some insight on your web site. I think I need to have some one on one instruction so hopefully I will travel up to see my grandfather soon and he will be able to giude me. Anyway, while looking I found your message board and thought I'd say hi. ---Oh and Kyle I don't wear shoes unless I have to. And my eldest is 15 born March of 1989, so he is about your age. He plays the guitar. Though he'd be better if he got his head out of the vid. games.

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2004 edited
     # 15

    Well keberhardt, I must admit, vid-game does improve hand-eye coordination. . . To a point of course.

    Keep on the fiddle and you, Karen (on Dobro), your son and Lloyd can form a band!

    Tell Lloyd that Playing By Beer is going strong! :wink:

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 2nd 2004 edited
     # 16

    LOL-Sorry, your name reminds me of 'Abbott & Costello meet Frankenstein' (Jerry Garcia's favorite movie, btw-I'm a master of useless trivia).
    Anyway, just signed onto this site-see my bio for fascinating, life changing info about me. Ran across your family searching for barefoot related topics on the net, and have really liked what i've seen so far in your web sites-We have so much in common it's scary (many find it scary to have ANYTHING in common with me.) Anyway, gonna check out the rest of this place (to the best of my computer illiterate abilities) and hope to check in regularly. I work nights (230am now-almost lunchtime) and usually have a lot of time to chat if anyone else is up this time of night.
    :shock: peace Robert

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2004 edited
     # 17

    I'm Connie. I got here by following a link posted on a forum talking about your trading spouses thing.

    I've read almost everything on your site and am so glad I did. Your family seems so friendly and normal compared to how TS wants to portray it. I would never have thought a reality show could twist reality so drastically. I've decided I don't want to be on their show after all. If they could take a sweet family like yours and convince the public you guys are crazy, I don't want to see what they would do to my family!

    I'm a Greek Orthodox Christian and a homeschool mom. I distrust all branches of government and am afraid of down escalators. I'm a Dallas Cowboys fanatic, and I have all of Mark Chesnutt's CDs.

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 9th 2004 edited
     # 18

    No, no, It's Vikings, Joe Diffie, elevators and while the legislative and judicial branch are ok, it's that executive branch you gotta keep your eye on...welcome on behalf of, well, me.

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 19

    I checked out your web site Luke, it seems you need help with spelling.
    Frusterating is spelled Frustrating. Integrety is spelled Integrity.

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 20

    Yeah yeah . . . actually every time I typed in those two words, I was unsure of the spelling. However, when you're frustrated, you don't tend to worry about spelling as much, eh?

    • CommentAuthorRoughBall
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 21

    Hi, Im Matt, and From Pennsylvania. I am an engineer for a mechanical construction company.....Air Conditioning and Mechanical Controls. Its fun.

    My free time is spent hiking in the mountains in the summer and fall, and skiing in the winter...should we get any snow any time soon.

    I IM'd Luke and he responded. Pretty exciting.

    I hope you guys aren't too fired up over the show....we all know they edit those things to craft a "Reality" that makes for entertaining TV. Both of the families seemed really nice and well centered on what is really important out there. The truth is that makes for boring TV, doesnt it? Fox needs people to keep watching their shows, so obviously they are going to take differences in people, no matter how slight, and exagerate them into "Good TV."

    I'll be cruising this website to see what else it has to offer.

    • CommentAuthorunclebob
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 22

    I stumbled around for quite a while and finally found y'alls site and it is amazing. I missed the 1st episode of TS but did catch the 2nd. I know enough not to trust what you see with what is reality because of editing. Y'all are a unique family and are very well grounded. You've done a mighty fine job with Luke and Kyle.

    btw Kyle .. aren't your feet cold ? LOL I'm a barefooter too and I get that all the time or even better "you know you aren't wearing shoes ??" well duh.

    • CommentAuthorBurn Factor
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 23
    unclebob:

    btw Kyle .. aren't your feet cold ? LOL I'm a barefooter too and I get that all the time or even better "you know you aren't wearing shoes ??" well duh.

    First things first, I'm Evan from Boston MA, 19 years old, came to this site via FOX's site. I went to FOX's community to read reactions on TS and found this site. I read the reactions here, and Luke and Carl's reactions on their site (I was flabbergasted to see that the 'crazy family' has the internet!) and now that I am schooled in the fact that FOX twists what they want, the Abbotts aren't crazy to me anymore! :P

    Anyhoo, Luke and Kyle ... if you lived in Boston, there is no way you would allow yourself to go barefoot in January and February. You could try, but you'd get pneumonia all the time. Be thankful you live in Santa Cruz. I was actually in SC this summer, I went to Anaheim and SF for two weeks and popped into SC for a couple of hours. Yeah, a lot better than Boston ...

    • CommentAuthorAnonymous
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 24

    Good for you, at least you have a great wit.

    P.S. Are you going to college and are you driving now?

    • CommentAuthorhepcat
    • CommentTimeDec 14th 2004 edited
     # 25

    I'm happy to have found your site and read a bit more about your family. :)

    I am a bluegrass fan, and I wanted to say that I really enjoyed the scenes on TS where we got to see and hear you play. You can really pick up a storm, and I loved the four-part harmony. I'm just over the hill from you, so I hope we can get to one of your gigs sometime.

    I'm also a writer for a reality TV website. We meet to watch and make fun of reality shows on a regular basis. :) Most of us have heard mountains of stories about reality TV editing, and I can say that most people take the odd spliced sentences with a grain of salt.

    It's interesting to me how hard they tried to force a storyline here. But I thought it was very revealing when Vickie could not stand being in the redwoods. To me, someone who can't feel any connection to nature while standing in a forest is more unusual than a family who likes to go around barefoot. Her reaction seemed extreme, and no one was making her scream when a leaf fell on her or anything.

    I enjoyed reading your site. Take care, and don't let the TV turkeys get you down. :D

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2004 edited
     # 26

    hey if this is the hepcat who write on that fans of reality tv site 9I think it's called), you're hilarious. makes want to watch some back episodes of this show, which i'd never seen before the Abbott episodes-do you also write about other reality shows besides TS? Guess i should get off my lazy fingers and check for myself.

    • CommentAuthorhepcat
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2004 edited
     # 27

    Thanks, Buddy, that is me. I cover other shows, mostly the Big Brother live feeds in the summer. I was covering My Big Fat Obnoxious Boss but had to give it up due to time constraints. Glad you enjoy the recaps.

    To Carl, Luke, Kyle and Leslie, I hope you aren't offended by my recap of the show. I'm obligated to recap what was shown on the show. I try to make up for it by throwing in a few hints about the heavy-handed editing.

    Having said that, though, most members of our site have seen enough "reality" shows to know better than to accept what's shown as the unadulterated truth. You would be welcome on our site if you want to visit and give your perspective on the show. We're a PG-13 site, and we don't allow flaming of other members (which would include you, if you register and join) so pretty much we attract good people interested in discussion.

    • CommentAuthorLuke Abbott
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2004 edited
     # 28

    Hey hepcat,

    Actually, I've been reading your recaps ever since we got that first email from the casting director. The forum you write for was the first one I ran across. I think you've done a great job with all of them. You have a way with words, my friend. I enjoyed reading 'em all, except maybe our own! :P But no, I wasn't offended by your recap -- you're just recounting what you saw on TV, after all. It's kind of odd, though, because it's just like reading fiction! But hey, for a work of fiction, it's a good story . . .

    Anyway, about posting something on your site: I have a feeling that a lot of people on there just want their entertainment, and don't particularly want to hear about anything else, wouldn't you say? So I don't want to spoil their fun. :-)

    • CommentAuthorhepcat
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2004 edited
     # 29

    Hi, Luke!

    It's a funny thing; some families don't really inspire much interest in finding out the real truth, but it seemed to me that a lot of people were interested in finding out more about your family.

    I put a post up pointing to your site, and advised people they can find out more about you here. You would certainly be welcomed over there, but I completely understand if you don't. People can certainly make the effort to click on a link if they want to learn more. (Well, you'd think so, at least!)

    When I took on recapping this show, I guess I didn't know what I was getting in to. Personally, the only reality shows I like are the competition ones, like Survivor and Big Brother. I certainly didn't expect that I would care about anyone personally on a reality show - on shows like Survivor, those people definitely want to be there and are competing for money.

    But I find myself getting more and more upset with the heavy-handed editing and the way they seek out families they think will be laughed at or thought of as "weird". I made a commitment, so I'm stuck here for now.:(

    I wish you guys all the best, and one of these days I'll walk up to you at a bluegrass gig and say Hi. :D

    • CommentAuthorBreadkitty
    • CommentTimeDec 15th 2004 edited
     # 30

    Hiya!

    Urhmm...these is so weird! Well, my name is Cori. I very rarely, if ever, watch reality shows. I just so happened to turn on Trading Spouses one night, and there was a brainwashed, spiritual, homeshooling family (imagine that!) Curiousity got the best of me, and I found this site via Fox Message Boards...

    Anyways, I wasn't really shocked to hear what Fox did to you guys. Actually, my mom and I watched the show together, and talked over how much of it was real and how much of it was fake. After reading your articles, I was apalled at how distorted it was...

    well, I bet you guys are used to hearing that now. Anywho, ciao :wink:

    • CommentAuthorStewart
    • CommentTimeDec 16th 2004 edited
     # 31

    Hello Abbotts! I know you all from jamming and such. Being also interested in Taoism, I came to this site as soon as I realized that you and the Taoist center were connected. And yet, it took a silly TV show to actually get me to register and post here. Go figure.

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeDec 18th 2004 edited
     # 32

    Hello all! You all know me! I'm Tao Nut but I just thought that I might as well sign the guestbook again!

    Take it easy but take it!! :D

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 19th 2004 edited
     # 33

    ...before he died, that is

    another similar one I like: 'Catch the fire before it catch you'-Bob Marley

    I'm Buddy1 & I'm a Tao forum addict...

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2004 edited
     # 34

    This is off topic of guestbook signing but a favorite of mine is why do something today when you can hold it off 'till tomorrow?

  1.  # 35

    because you might not be around tomorrow to do it :shock:
    in which case it would be ok to wait if it was something you didn't want to do :?

    • CommentAuthorJoanne
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2004 edited
     # 36

    Hey Kyle,

    Isn't that "why put off until tomorrow something that you can do today?" It's all one and the same, sort of...just a matter of when you plan on getting around to it. Whatever "it" is.

    Anyhow, just thought I'd sign the guestbook. I'm Joanne, a mom of two girls (ages 16 and 8 years old).. I live in a suburb of Milwaukee where tonight the windchill is about -15 so I have no intention of going anywhere barefoot. :lol: I stumbled across your website after watching TS (which I had never watched before...call this a serendipitous stumble). I am becoming addicted to reading what you guys have to say. I think that I'm trying to find some sense and meaning to everything, and so much of what I read on this website seems to be calling to me. I'm really good at listening, so keep on talking!

    • CommentAuthordhardy123
    • CommentTimeDec 21st 2004 edited
     # 37

    I thought it was "Why put off something until tomorrow that you can put off altogether" :lol:

    that's my motto anyway.....

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 22nd 2004 edited
     # 38

    "The day I can't something for a friend is the day I have something better to do."

    not trying to turn this into a quote board-but that one just came to mind...

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeDec 23rd 2004 edited
     # 39

    Here's one. It takes more muscles to frown than to smile. I don't find tthat true 'cause it does take more muscles to smile than to not smile. . . . that's why I don't smile much. :wink:

    • CommentAuthordhardy123
    • CommentTimeDec 23rd 2004 edited
     # 40

    Kyle, I believe the saying is:

    "It takes 43 muscles to frown and only 17 muscles to smile but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face"
    :P

    • CommentAuthorTao Nut
    • CommentTimeDec 24th 2004 edited
     # 41

    Exactly! Although usually a dumb look involves the mouth agape and I don't gape my mouth. I think it takes more than 17 muscles to smile but I'm not sure.

    And besides, sitting doesn't have anything to do with smiling! :wink:

    • CommentAuthorBuddy1
    • CommentTimeDec 26th 2004 edited
     # 42

    It takes 43 muscles to frown, but only one to pop the idiot in the nose who made you frown in the first place...

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