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    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2007 edited
     # 1

    Each week we address one chapter of the Tao Te Ching. The Tao Te Ching can be obscure, especially if you think you're supposed to understand what it's saying! We find it easier and more instructive to simply contemplate how the chapter resonates with your personal experience. Becoming more aware at this fundamental level simplifies life. This approach conforms to the view that true knowing lies within ourselves. Thus, when a passage in the scripture resonates, you've found your inner truth. The same applies for when it evokes a question; questions are the grist for self realization.

    Chapter 28
    Know the male
    But keep to the role of the female
    And be a ravine to the empire.
    If you are a ravine to the empire,
    Then the constant virtue will not desert you
    And you will again return to being a babe.
    Know the white
    But keep to the role of the black
    And be a model to the empire.
    If you are a model to the empire,
    Then the constant virtue will not be wanting
    And you will return to the infinite.
    Know honor
    But keep to the role of the disgraced
    And be a valley to the empire.
    If you are a valley to the empire,
    Then the constant virtue will be sufficient
    And you will return to being the uncarved block.

    When the uncarved block shatters it becomes vessels.
    The sage makes use of these and becomes the lord over the officials.

    Therefore the greatest cutting
    Does not sever.

    Read commentary previously posted for this chapter.
    Read notes on translations

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2007 edited
     # 2

    [Note: I italicize phrases I borrow from the chapter, and link to phrases I borrow from other chapters to help tie chapters together. While making it more tedious to read, :? the Tao Te Ching is best pondered in the context of the whole.]

    Standard translations and the literal Chinese part company toward the end of this chapter. Compare them to the one below. As feeble as my translation may be, at least it follows the literal Chinese more closely - and makes more sense (well... to me anyway). Why do the 'standard' translations occasionally go off on these tangents? I suspect it is due to more than mere poetic license... :? Hmm, you would think being so out of sync with the experts would concern me. But, this is Taoist stuff... to paraphrase, one who knows does not 'write'; one who 'writes' does not know. So, with that in mind...

    The literal Chinese goes like this:
    know its male (powerful), defend (observe, abide by) its female, serve as (be, mean) heaven under small stream.
    serve as (be, mean) heaven under small stream, always virtue (integrity) not leave,
    duplicate (again) return in (at, to, from, by, than, out of) baby.
    know its white (pure, clear), defend (observe, abide by, close to) its black, serve as (be, mean) heaven under type (style, pattern)
    serve as (be, mean) heaven under type (style, pattern), always virtue (integrity) not error (mistake),
    duplicate (again) return in (at, to, from, by, than, out of) without extreme.
    know its flourish (honour, glory), defend (observe, abide by) its disgrace (dishonour), serve as (be, mean) heaven under valley.
    serve as (be, mean) heaven under valley, always virtue (integrity) be (therefore, only then) foot (sufficient, full),
    duplicate (again) return in (at, to, from, by, than, out of) simple (plain).
    simple break-up standard (rule) serve as (be) implement (capacity) wise person use of standard be public elder (senior, head).
    incident (happening, cause, intentionally, therefore) big make (control, restrict, regulate) not cut-off.

    And now my feeble attempt to make the literal readable:
    Know its male, observe its female, and be a small stream for all under heaven.
    Being a small stream for all under heaven, constant virtue will never leave you,
    And you will again return to infancy.
    Know its white, observe its black, and be a pattern for all under heaven.
    Being a pattern for all under heaven, constant virtue will never be in error,
    And you will again return to moderation.
    Know its honour, observe its disgrace, and be a valley for all under heaven.
    Being a valley for all under heaven, constant virtue will be sufficient,
    And you will again return to simplicty.
    Simplicity loosens standards and allows a wise person to be a public elder.
    This is how even the greatest regulation cuts off nothing.

    Also, notice how the literal says 'its male', not 'the male'. 'Its' conveys the mystery better than 'the', don't you think?

    • CommentAuthoraz
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2007 edited
     # 3

    Hi, this is my first post. I have enjoyed all I have been reading and studying. My comment is about "knowing honor, But keeping to the role of the disgraced"
    And doing so, returning to being the uncarved block.

    There is pride in the business of living and there will be times when in order for a person to be up, another must be down, take for example the zero sum game such as trading or winning at gambling. Would thankfulness and appreciation for this winning be enough to keep from being separate from the whole? Is this "being disgraced" or "being humble". Are they the same? Or should this kind of "living" simply be abandoned?

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeSep 7th 2007 edited
     # 4

    Welcome Az, (By the way, I was born and raised in Tucson.)

    az:

    ...Or should this kind of "living" simply be abandoned?

    One Taoist 'goal' is to abandon nothing. Our problem with life is really centered around having too many desires. We tend to have to many because our mind's imagination dreams without end. The idea of desiring not to desire can help balance this. It applies to everything, e.g., if you desire to gamble - desire it less; if you desire to save the world - desire that less; and so on across the board.

    Nothing, whether "thankfulness" or greediness, possesses more merit than another. Each are simply symptoms of our inner life - feeling "thankful" arises when we feel 'enough; feeling greedy arises when we feel we don't and desire more of whatever it is we feel will bring us contentment. The irony, from a Taoist and Buddhist point of view anyway, is that this actually never brings us contentment. For survival in 'the wild', biology hoodwinks us into feeling 'desire' works. Our problem: We took 'the wild' out of Nature's equation... oops! So, in truth, the only path that works is simply desiring not to be full. And that is a winding road to say the least. But, just so you don't think you're going around in circles, consider this.. If you would have 'desire' weakened, you must first strengthen it. :)

    • CommentAuthoraz
    • CommentTimeSep 8th 2007 edited
     # 5

    Interesting, Thanks.

    I'm still pondering "being disgraced" vs "being humble" . Both are low positions, and there is no judgement assigned to either, are they the same?

    One can find great relief from judgement by being disgraced. For example, dealing with the annoying petty corporate theivery of the day; when they say one thing and mean another, you try to stop subscriptions and they go on forever unless you call 20 people. When such things occur, I just think of a time when I have been a petty theif, coins drop into the tray of a vending machine when I got my water, and I don't give it back, I make a mistake in my favor on my taxes and the IRS doesn't catch it, and suddenly I am calm. Isn't this being disgraced? it is humbling. :)

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeSep 9th 2007 edited
     # 6
    az:

    ... I'm still pondering "being disgraced" vs "being humble" . Both are low positions, and there is no judgement assigned to either, are they the same?

    In the Taoist view, there is no objective reality in word meaning. Thus we 'listen' to the teaching that uses no words. The actual feeling a word evokes in us reflects who we are, not the ostensible 'thing' the word symbolizes. You can soften the glare of this subjective projection if you can wrap your mind around the correlations process. Here is a very brief example:

    YIN = female = ancient = disgrace = humble = selfless = dark = loss = unite = death = soft = low ...etc YANG = male = young = honor = pride = self = light = gain = divide = life = hard = high ...etc

    Although will always end up going around in circles, of course. The Taoist ideal is to be hesitant, murky, vacant, tentative, and falling apart as much as possible, so as not to fight the circle. By ceasing to 'fight the circle' we are best able to deal with things while they are still nothing. Oh, and just what is this 'circle'? Consider these...

    YIN = circle = endless = reality = silence = stillness = NOTHING YANG = straight = finite = illusion = sound = motion = SOMETHING

    Sure, something and nothing produce each other. So, even these opposites are mysteriously "the same" at the end of the day. When we realize we can't nail 'it' down, the only sane thing to do is stop hammering. However, in order to stop, we must first start. So we are well on our way - hooray! In the end though, this is why one follows the way.

    Here are these correlations in a column which may help the reading. All the words in the YIN column share a 'sameness'; all the words in the YANG column share a 'sameness'. Deeper down, these columns share a mysterious sameness. Before we can see that, we must first be able to see sameness in each column. I know these words are not persuasive nor beautiful, but just maybe...

    YIN YANG female male ancient young disgrace honor humble pride selfless self dark light loss gain unite divide death life soft hard low high circle straight endless finite reality illusion silence sound stillness motion NOTHING SOMETHING ...etc ...etc

    I hope this doesn't seems like I'm giving you the run around on your question. The blunt truth is: illusion = answer. So, how do I answer your question without Answering it? :?

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