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Core Issues of Human Nature: Is consciousness separate from the Tao?

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    • CommentAuthorMDahlen
    • CommentTimeJan 15th 2008 edited
     # 1

    That's basically my question. I suspect it is--that is, consciousness is separate. Which is why we can detect the Tao. I look forward to hearing others' opinions. Thank you.

    • CommentAuthormagenta11
    • CommentTimeJan 16th 2008 edited
     # 2

    Hmm...

    would you mind defining consciousness?
    Inate or experienced would be core discussion topic but I am hoping we don't go that far eh lol

    kucos

    • CommentAuthorMDahlen
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008 edited
     # 3

    Consciousness = awareness.

    • CommentAuthormagenta11
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008 edited
     # 4

    道可道非常道

    this gets really messy so Let me put it this way:

    1. Do we have inate awareness that we know there is nature?

    2. We have seen and experienced awareness of nature, is this its true form of nature?

    This gets real messy in a hurry so that's why I was asking^^

    Questions and comments are always welcome, kudos for everyone~

    • CommentAuthorCarl
    • CommentTimeJan 17th 2008 edited
     # 5

    Hi MDahlen, This is a good question. Although, what isn’t? Perhaps there are only ‘bad’ answers, so I'll try to avoid doing that.

    MDahlen:

    That's basically my question. I suspect it is--that is, consciousness is separate. Which is why we can detect the Tao. I look forward to hearing others' opinions. Thank you.

    If you mean an awareness of separateness, then I’d say you suspect correctly. If you mean an awareness of togetherness, I’d say you are off the mark. Divide versus unite, separate versus together.

    There are a few passages in the Tao Te Ching ("relax the focus, merge the differences, as though they are dust" and "mysterious sameness" being two) that point to tao and consciousness being one and the same. However, when we refer to ‘it’ as ‘the Tao’, then we do indeed make a distinction – separate from the whole; alas, our biology hoodwinks us at every turn! :roll:

    • CommentAuthorJoe
    • CommentTimeJan 21st 2008 edited
     # 6

    I've always thought of the Tao as all encompassing - including thoughts. When MDahlen says we can detect the Tao, I think of that as being our perspective/thoughts about the experience. I have had my moments of "feeling" the Tao, or being "one with the Tao" But these are my perceptions; they are only part of the Tao, they aren't separate.

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